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Breaking the Anti-Immigrant Fever - Are you against the raids?
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so complicated issue, and a one sided editorial in NY Times is not helpful.
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The problem is that the previous administration decided to stop enforcing the law. This does not grant those whose unlawful presence was being ignored any special legal status now that the new administration is enforcing the law. In one case frequently presented as a representative of the problem, a woman who was convicted of a felony in 2009 and who was subsequently the subject of a deportation order from a court in 2013 was finally deported back to Mexico.
People are trying to blame her deportation on the new administration, but in point of fact the blame lies with the prior administration that refused to act on the order of the court.
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@inc4t When a guy steals a car or robs a bank and is sent to jail, no one worries about whether or not he has a family. He made a bad choice. He broke the law. He got caught.
What's the difference when an alien illegally crosses the border and gets deported? He made a bad choice. He broke the law. He got caught. Breaking the law has its consequences.
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First, troops should not be rounding up illegal immigrants. Instead,they should be doing stuff which is much more important. I believe that police should be doing this.
Next, this should be kept out of the media and people's eyes. We should not be seeing this happening, but instead possibly regular updates.
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So to be clear, will you argue that a mexican family that has illegally entered this country 20 years ago, has 3 kids who go to school, no criminal records, and no family left in mexico - gets all deported back now?
if that is millions of hundreds of thousands (or even tens of thousands of people) - what would they even do there and is that humane?
would you argue that we give them no notice if they are accused of having criminal record (even if they really don't)?
in my opinion, I am supportive of deportations, but I feel we need to think of some special program or process for cases like this.
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@inc4t I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't believe its humane for them to live in the shadows in the US where they are no better off than slaves.
If they are here illegally, they are criminals. They made a bad decision. They broke the law. They got caught. They should face the consequences of their actions. I don't see it any different than a bank robber or a carjacker. The only difference is in how we prioritize the crimes. Solving violent crimes should be our highest priority. Deporting criminal aliens should be a priority. Deporting illegals who are guilty of no other crime should be a low priority. When, and indeed if, we ever stem the flow of illegals coming from our southern border, only then can we consider a different approach.
The real problem is that Hispanics are not assimilating, they are creating a borderland (like the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Balkans) in our southern states. Borderlands are never good things. Right now, people of Mexican origin make up 40% or more of the population in about ¼ of the territory Mexico lost in the Mexican-American War. If this is allowed to continue, Mexican-backed candidates will make up an increasingly powerful political bloc in the south-western states. These politicians will have divided loyalties between the US, whose interests they are supposed to represent, and Mexico, who helped bring them to power. At the rate things are going, in 50 to 100 years, California, Arazona, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas… will be more Mexican than America.
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1) severity of their crime. Lets agree to disagree, I still maintain that it is less than robbing a Bank. Also while it is true they live innthe shadows in US, as "slaves" is an exaggeration. It is much better for them here rather than sending them back.
2) prioritization - agreed completely
3) hispanics not assimilating - agreed.
good debate.
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the question you are debating now, what if they don't a record, do we agree to eventually prioritize deporting all illegal immigrants, and what should be the vetting process to ensure it is fair.
I agree with @CYDdharta that at some point once many other issues are solved around the inflow, we really need to tackle the issue. Given the scale, we need to be very thoughtful how it gets implemented, but it should be a deliberate program.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/05/deportation-fear-mexicans-los-angeles#comment-94344878
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The other issue with giving these people special consideration for having families here in the U.S. is: What kind of message does that send to the law abiding immigrants who are STILL working to achieve citizenship? There are hundreds of thousands of would-be immigrants that are working hard to get through the sea of red tape involving citizenship in the U.S. and we're going to tell these lawful people that we're going to give special deals and shortcuts to the ones that skipped the line and went the illegal route? Just what exactly does that say about our Country? That we're a country of swindlers and we give special consideration to those who break the law? Not my Country...not in my lifetime...not on my watch. Boohoo about all the people that made the conscious decision to break our laws, disregard our border, who came here illegally and then decided to have Children on the CHANCE that they might not get caught. I have NO sympathy for them, especially not when there are HUNDREDS of thousands of future Americans STILL in line, respecting our borders, filling out the paperwork and putting in for the long-haul to get LEGITIMATE citizenship.
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my only concern is how to prioritize the 11 million people to be deported and what will be the exception process.
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If you're not a criminal...good, then be deported and apply for citizenship like you should have. If you have a long established Family here in the U.S., good...then be deported and you can even take your Family with you, if you can't or won't take your family with you then you should've taken their lives into consideration before you broke the law. No one is responsible for the lives of Family members affected by deportation except those who are having to be deported...it is the fault of the person committing the crime, they should not have put their Family into that position, the Government is not responsible for undoing 10, 20, 30 years of bad decisions made by the illegal immigrant.
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